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	<title>Comments on: Goodbye, Ruby Grapefruit</title>
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	<description>Music matters as if music mattered</description>
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		<title>By: Cecil Vortex</title>
		<link>http://stuckbetweenstations.org/2007/04/20/goodbye-ruby-grapefruit/comment-page-1/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecil Vortex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading this article. And as a bonus, it called to mind the flavor sensation of eating a ruby red grapefruit. Not just any ruby red grapefruit, either, but an especially good tasting one. In my mind, I got little drops of grapefruit juice on my glasses. 
-Cecil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading this article. And as a bonus, it called to mind the flavor sensation of eating a ruby red grapefruit. Not just any ruby red grapefruit, either, but an especially good tasting one. In my mind, I got little drops of grapefruit juice on my glasses.<br />
-Cecil</p>
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		<title>By: shacker</title>
		<link>http://stuckbetweenstations.org/2007/04/20/goodbye-ruby-grapefruit/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>shacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian, you and Dali (and all of  us, more than we realize) are bed-fellows in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ieeff.org/surrealism.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paranoia-critical method&lt;/a&gt;:

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According to Dali by simulating paranoia one can systematically undermine one&#039;s rational view of the world, which becomes continually subjected to associative transformations, &quot;For instance, one can see, or persuade others to see, all sorts of shapes in a cloud: a horse, a human body, a dragon, a face, a palace, and so on. Any prospect or object of the Physical world can be treated in this manner, from which the proposed conclusion is that it is impossible to concede any value whatsoever to immediate reality, since it may represent or mean anything at all&quot; (Marcel Jean).  The point is to persuade oneself or others of the authenticity of these transformations in such a way that the &#039;real&#039; world from which they arise loses its validity. The mad logic of Dali&#039;s method leads to a world seen in continuous flux, as in his paintings of the 1930s, in which objects dissolve from one state into another, solid things become transparent, and things of no substance assume form. The Paranoiac-critical method is thus the reverse of the children&#039;s &#039;picture-puzzles&#039; in which people are hidden in drawings of trees etc, and resembles more the &#039;double-images&#039; employed by psychologists. The two faces that become a vase, and other similar illusions such as faces seen in rocks, landscapes in marble and the anthropomorphic forms of plants such as the mandrake root. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian, you and Dali (and all of  us, more than we realize) are bed-fellows in the <a href="http://www.ieeff.org/surrealism.htm" rel="nofollow">paranoia-critical method</a>:</p>
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According to Dali by simulating paranoia one can systematically undermine one&#8217;s rational view of the world, which becomes continually subjected to associative transformations, &#8220;For instance, one can see, or persuade others to see, all sorts of shapes in a cloud: a horse, a human body, a dragon, a face, a palace, and so on. Any prospect or object of the Physical world can be treated in this manner, from which the proposed conclusion is that it is impossible to concede any value whatsoever to immediate reality, since it may represent or mean anything at all&#8221; (Marcel Jean).  The point is to persuade oneself or others of the authenticity of these transformations in such a way that the &#8216;real&#8217; world from which they arise loses its validity. The mad logic of Dali&#8217;s method leads to a world seen in continuous flux, as in his paintings of the 1930s, in which objects dissolve from one state into another, solid things become transparent, and things of no substance assume form. The Paranoiac-critical method is thus the reverse of the children&#8217;s &#8216;picture-puzzles&#8217; in which people are hidden in drawings of trees etc, and resembles more the &#8216;double-images&#8217; employed by psychologists. The two faces that become a vase, and other similar illusions such as faces seen in rocks, landscapes in marble and the anthropomorphic forms of plants such as the mandrake root.
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		<title>By: xian</title>
		<link>http://stuckbetweenstations.org/2007/04/20/goodbye-ruby-grapefruit/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great point. Camper Van Beethoven often imitated styles they had never studied just by hinting at the shards of received stereotypical impressions we all (mostly) share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great point. Camper Van Beethoven often imitated styles they had never studied just by hinting at the shards of received stereotypical impressions we all (mostly) share.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Graham</title>
		<link>http://stuckbetweenstations.org/2007/04/20/goodbye-ruby-grapefruit/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Cultural preconditioning” was Kimock’s explanation. He was also talking about our familiarity with western scales and harmonies.:&quot;

I am not sure how much I like that explanation...  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s so much &quot;cultural preconditioning&quot; as much as the brain constantly acting like a fuzzy pattern matching engine.  The reason you think of other songs when listening to something new is the same reason you see a man on the moon or a VW Beetle in a cloud formation...  The brain is constantly analyzing new input and trying to relate it to what is already known...  

When you hear a new song, you can&#039;t possibly relate it to something you &lt;b&gt;haven&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; heard, so you bend it to try and fit it to some model.  You see this alot when people describe the music of bands like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.secretchiefs3.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Secret Chiefs 3&lt;/a&gt; as sounding &quot;Middle Eastern&quot;.  While the band definitely adopts a vaguely middle-eastern aesthetic, and uses some non-traditional (in the west) scales and time signatures, their music doesn&#039;t really sound like anything from the mid-east.  But reviewers often relate their work to that culture because the only context they&#039;ve heard some of these instruments and scales/signatures has been as background music in movies set in the middle east.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Cultural preconditioning” was Kimock’s explanation. He was also talking about our familiarity with western scales and harmonies.:&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not sure how much I like that explanation&#8230;  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s so much &#8220;cultural preconditioning&#8221; as much as the brain constantly acting like a fuzzy pattern matching engine.  The reason you think of other songs when listening to something new is the same reason you see a man on the moon or a VW Beetle in a cloud formation&#8230;  The brain is constantly analyzing new input and trying to relate it to what is already known&#8230;  </p>
<p>When you hear a new song, you can&#8217;t possibly relate it to something you <b>haven&#8217;t</b> heard, so you bend it to try and fit it to some model.  You see this alot when people describe the music of bands like <a href="http://www.secretchiefs3.com/" rel="nofollow">Secret Chiefs 3</a> as sounding &#8220;Middle Eastern&#8221;.  While the band definitely adopts a vaguely middle-eastern aesthetic, and uses some non-traditional (in the west) scales and time signatures, their music doesn&#8217;t really sound like anything from the mid-east.  But reviewers often relate their work to that culture because the only context they&#8217;ve heard some of these instruments and scales/signatures has been as background music in movies set in the middle east.</p>
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